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Synapse Engineering Synchronic BOV Install So you got da 'Chronic
#1
Posted 25 October 2009 - 11:22 AM
So you want to install the 'Chronic?
Here's how I did it. Maybe it'll help you.
First of all the 'Chronic is friggen big, the size of a soda can big actually.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0037.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0039-1.jpg
Secondly and perhaps most importantly. There is a design flaw.
No it's not really a big deal now that we are aware of it.;)
Yes the valve works perfectly when installed properly but and here's the kicker, IT HAS TO BE MOUNTED HORIZONTALLY. This valve is so sensative (in a good way) that it cannot properly work mounted in the vertical position (well at least with the pointy end down. The other way wasn't tested cause well that didn't make much sense in our application. ;) )
Why doesn't it work vertically? Because it is a "pull" type valve and mounting it vetically keeps the weight of the piston/valve mechanism inside, in the closed position. This is bad because the vacuum of the engine (on it's own) is not strong enough to over come that weight and open the valve. (Gravity is a bitch. haha)
Mounted horizontally (you can see in the pics mine ended up a little past horizontal toward the black end (which is the valve open position)) there is no weight acting on the open/close mechanism and the BOV can open and close as designed. (Yay) :D
Below are pics of my install with the factory hose and new vacuum/boost lines attached. I installed all connections as described in the installation manual. I used the factory BOV vacuum connection on the intake manifold for Ports A and B, then removed the hard line on the valve cover. I T'd the boost line from the compressor to the boost solenoid for the pressure source to Port C
**NOTE**You can flip and trim (start with about an inch off either end and test fit) the factory recirc BOV hose to fit with the 'Chronic. However you will need a male/male adapter to connect back to the intake pipe and about 4" of 1.25" (same size as the stock hose) heater/radiator hose to connect back to the upper intercooler pipe.
**NOTE**If using the stock intercooler piping you will also need to have a mini battery. The valve is too big to fit parallel under the pipe so it needs to be clocked to about a 45 degree angle and would otherwise hit the corner of the stock battery/tray.
After install I really tried to surge the compressor with this valve and couldn't. :yahoo: It really is well designed and delivers as promised if installed properly.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0044.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0045-1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0046-1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0047-1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0048-1.jpg
Here's how I did it. Maybe it'll help you.
First of all the 'Chronic is friggen big, the size of a soda can big actually.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0037.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0039-1.jpg
Secondly and perhaps most importantly. There is a design flaw.
No it's not really a big deal now that we are aware of it.;)
Yes the valve works perfectly when installed properly but and here's the kicker, IT HAS TO BE MOUNTED HORIZONTALLY. This valve is so sensative (in a good way) that it cannot properly work mounted in the vertical position (well at least with the pointy end down. The other way wasn't tested cause well that didn't make much sense in our application. ;) )
Why doesn't it work vertically? Because it is a "pull" type valve and mounting it vetically keeps the weight of the piston/valve mechanism inside, in the closed position. This is bad because the vacuum of the engine (on it's own) is not strong enough to over come that weight and open the valve. (Gravity is a bitch. haha)
Mounted horizontally (you can see in the pics mine ended up a little past horizontal toward the black end (which is the valve open position)) there is no weight acting on the open/close mechanism and the BOV can open and close as designed. (Yay) :D
Below are pics of my install with the factory hose and new vacuum/boost lines attached. I installed all connections as described in the installation manual. I used the factory BOV vacuum connection on the intake manifold for Ports A and B, then removed the hard line on the valve cover. I T'd the boost line from the compressor to the boost solenoid for the pressure source to Port C
**NOTE**You can flip and trim (start with about an inch off either end and test fit) the factory recirc BOV hose to fit with the 'Chronic. However you will need a male/male adapter to connect back to the intake pipe and about 4" of 1.25" (same size as the stock hose) heater/radiator hose to connect back to the upper intercooler pipe.
**NOTE**If using the stock intercooler piping you will also need to have a mini battery. The valve is too big to fit parallel under the pipe so it needs to be clocked to about a 45 degree angle and would otherwise hit the corner of the stock battery/tray.
After install I really tried to surge the compressor with this valve and couldn't. :yahoo: It really is well designed and delivers as promised if installed properly.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0044.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0045-1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0046-1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0047-1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/lqdchkn/IMG_0048-1.jpg
#2
Posted 25 October 2009 - 11:46 AM
Looks good Brian. Glad your a happy chronic membah now.
Be interesting to see what gains we have achieved
with this new DV setup.
My car's performance actually impresses me now again.
So you got ride of the hardline ontop the valve cover altogether...Hmmm
Be interesting to see what gains we have achieved
with this new DV setup.
My car's performance actually impresses me now again.
So you got ride of the hardline ontop the valve cover altogether...Hmmm
#3
Posted 25 October 2009 - 01:48 PM
#4
Posted 25 October 2009 - 01:54 PM
Seems like the boost is holding better? I now know my Tomei DV, even though it was crushed, has been going away for sometime now.
#5
Posted 25 October 2009 - 01:56 PM
whtrice, on 25 October 2009 - 02:54 PM, said:
Seems like the boost is holding better? I now know my Tomei DV, even though it was crushed, has been going away for sometime now.
ummm unfortunately for now...yes. I took this new guy Rob for a ride and boost hit 2.4bar (34.8 psi) so I definately need a check up before i heavy foot it too much more. it's obviously holding where the crushed stocker would bleed off some.
#7
Posted 03 November 2009 - 05:32 PM
#9
Posted 05 November 2009 - 12:05 PM
Thanks for the trail and error Bryan...
I'll give it a snott...
I'll give it a snott...
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